Debby Kappetijn made the switch after 20 years from the entrepreneur/commercial world to the non-profit education world because of social and ethical considerations. In here current role of project lead and relations manager of several Data Protection Impact Assessments (DPIA's) of SURF Vendor Compliance she is many times in the eye of the storm. Trying to keep the conversation going while the vendor objectives do not always match the objectives of the research team can be a challenge. Persistence, objectivity and transparency on the approach have led to the best results, for example with DPIA publications around Microsoft 365 Copilot, EdugenAI, Nextcloud and Xedule. Now she puts her skills and experience into place to lead this very knowledgeable panel around AI in education. Enjoy the show!